Sunday, May 31, 2009
A question about appropriate ethical standards for lawyers
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15 comments:
Maybe. Don't forget that a lawyer's real job is to shred, in the same way that an accountant's real job is to fiddle the books [this comment is satirical]. That lawyer had a duty to his client. Would YOU hire a lawyer who failed to get shredded all problematic documents that could legally be shredded?
I WISH clients hired lawyers to be ethical. They don't. They hire lawyers to do the best for their clients within the boundaries of the law and being an officer of the court.
I WISH that corporate lawyers were supposed to be setting ethical boundaries for corporations in the same way that in some mythical past accountants were supposed to be conservative bean counters who told you when you were taking too much financial risk.
Dream on.
Easy enough to find out. Just forward on what you have to the NY Bar Association and wait for the sound of crickets.
Regarding prior "anonymous" the original post asked about what ethics of lawyers are APPROPRIATE, not which ones would maximize their labor market outcomes.
Since lawyers in the US (in most countries really) must be licensed to practice (gaining thus a range of "privileges") the state is free to specify the terms (including "ethical standards") that must be upheld to gain the benefit of such a license.
As such, the standard for "legal ethics" becomes normative - what "society" believes it "should be", not what the market determines as optimal for the practitioner.
i'm not sure it's a big deal. for instance, my company (and at least the last four i've worked for) has at the advice of our lawyers put an addendum on all emails out of the company instructing the recipient to delete the email if the recipient is not the intended recipient. that addendum has no legal force at all, but we tell people to do it anyway. sounds like this might just be a similar thing.
I've heard stories from the days of yore about long dead countries that used to have something called ethics and even laws that prevented such things. I couldn't find any reference to these countries on the internet. They're probably just fairy tales.
California, the only proposition that passed was the one preventing the legislature from
getting pay increases if there is a budget deficit.Some odd observations that I had this
morning (I'm in Boston, we have a budget issue of our own, so I was comparing it to the
problems in California):California budget deficit, 21 billion. Massachusetts budget deficit,
1 billion. Ratio of California population to MA population: 5.65:1.
Wake up people to the corruption. As long as Geithner and bernanke are running the show,
don't short. Wait for the bulls to exhaust themselves which may not be for awhile.
i found this interesting site of http://is.gd/HGYt lots of links to finance and economics
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You might be thinking of something called "spoliation."
It is legal to destroy documents, or to follow office procedures for deleting aging documents, so long as there is no known investigation and no real and apparent reason to suspect one. Even when an investigation is taking place, the prosecution of obstruction can be difficult -- Arthur Andersen reversed by the Supreme Court and Frank Quattrone's mistrials come to mind.
Anon 10:37...
It used to be you could look at a financial statement for a bank and determine if they were solvent. That doesn't work anymore so the fed runs stress tests for us. Our tax dollars at work!
From Wikipedia - attributes of Fascism:
1. Obessive nationalism and patriotism - we vs. them, we Americans are better then them, we are the world's moral authority, ..
America? Check!
2. Extreme military culture, massive spending on building military power. Belife in military might as a solution.
America? Check!
3. Hatred towards both communism (anti-freedom) and liberalism (pro-freedom)and against "educated elite class"
America? Check!
4. Use of angry, aggressive rants (think Hitler and Rush Limbaugh) and other media propaganda fear tactics to Indoctrinate depressed population into fasicst group think.
America? Check!
5. Corportism - a few huge firms working with government to conrol the economy.
America? Check!
Conclusion - looks like a duck, walks like a duck, ...
I really like your blog. Lots of good insight.
Long time no post, John. U OK? Did the lawyers shred your blog?
Here's hoping that the surf is just too good to miss.
Great post. Of course the attorney's conduct sounds intimidating and heavy-handed, and that's fine. But if the attormey actually suggested you destroy evidence, I would suspec that is already considered unethical, at minimum, no matter where the attorney resides. So I would pass the facts you have along to the state bar body that regulates that attorney's conduct, and when you do, tell them you are making a complaint and that you want them to evaluate whether the attorney's conduct is unethical or troublesome. If they don't find a problem with it, then I think your question is a good one -- there ought to be a standard.
I think it depends. We all know what lawyers are, i mean their job is. They need to protect their clients interest so we can't blame them. Though most of the times they are unethical, they should set some boundaries also.
well done ! you make the fraud out here with that brothers were doing so far.
William Charles
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