Sunday, March 8, 2009

Optimism Porn – used car prices

There is so much bad news out there that I thought I might start a little bit of optimism porn to counter the pessimism porn that is becoming so common.

So here is your first dose of optimism porn: the used car business is holding up surprisingly well.  This was mentioned in the Federal Reserve’s Beige Book – but also in the Manheim index of used car prices at auction.  This index spiked up last month!

The biggest single determinant of losses in a subprime auto finance book is not loss rate – it is severity – the loss after the car is auctioned.  I am not about to buy non distressed auto securitisations or anything – but if you want to play in the distressed stuff this is clearly good news. 

 



John



PS.  One comment from below deserves highlighting:

that is great news. anyone in NY want to buy a 2003 mazda protege with 55k miles really cheap? i bought it to commute to my hedge fund job and don't need it any more.





7 comments:

  1. Yes, one should also note that default rates in auto securitisations have held up so far and very very few of them got downgraded (and even those that did, got re-graded mainly due to counterparty exposure to the Detroit 3 rather than due to default problems). So, this is a relatively healthy segment of the markets.

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  2. this can be spinned as bad news as well, no? i wonder what the price trends are, instead of sales trend. i bet the price trends would show deflation.

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  3. That is a price trend and it is doing just fine.

    If you need a pessimistic explanation it is that the supply of used cars - usually trade-ins - has declined.

    J

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  4. On a completely different note, seen this?

    http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090306005273&newsLang=en

    As I understand it, Swedbank can now make up their own asset valuations.

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  5. that is great news. anyone in NY want to buy a 2003 mazda protege with 55k miles really cheap? i bought it to commute to my hedge fund job and don't need it any more.

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  6. this isn't bullish or bearish....just an anecdote...

    anecdotally, wholesale used car values tend to rise around tax refund season as people use refunds as a downpayment for their car.

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  7. yeah, i don't consider this as bad news since people who can't afford to buy expensive cars can now own one for cheap.

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