tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post5253997799671623046..comments2024-03-08T06:18:28.125+11:00Comments on Bronte Capital: Some thoughts on the firing of James Damore from GoogleJohn Hemptonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03766274392122783128noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-61975004340404532152018-06-27T14:18:32.649+10:002018-06-27T14:18:32.649+10:00'I would have been proud to fire him':
ht...'I would have been proud to fire him':<br /><br />https://quillette.com/2018/06/19/why-women-dont-code/CrocodileChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10762442097044797842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-76058056365948671952018-05-08T20:01:23.480+10:002018-05-08T20:01:23.480+10:00good job,
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agree 100% with what you wrote in the commen...John,<br />agree 100% with what you wrote in the comment, but that’s not what you wrote in the blog post. Of course Damore has become a liability to Google, there is probably something in the code of conduct he violated (though I, for one, haven’t checked, and I was under the impression that the memo wasn’t unprompted — employees were invited to give their opinion on the gender issue). But it gained notoriaty, the relevant public opinion was against it and Google saw no reason to take a hit because of it. In any case, I believe an employer should have freedom of association, hiring and firing at will, and defending Google‘s right to do it is a bit of a waste — 5ey don’t need your support.<br /><br />However, in the blogpost you based your view on the memo‘s theses being wrong and counter to Google‘s best interest in hiring women, and you deprecated Damore for that. I think that’s much harder to defend, and you make a poor job of itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-23706625539901105142017-10-09T04:30:01.861+11:002017-10-09T04:30:01.861+11:00Any views on crypto currencies? bitcoin...Any views on crypto currencies? bitcoin...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-36742640239673957982017-09-23T10:06:47.026+10:002017-09-23T10:06:47.026+10:00"After diversity attempts at large companies ..."After diversity attempts at large companies and my own startup and the attempts to start tech early with my own children, I can tell you that our obsession with diversity and attempts to solve it are only fucking it up for the actual women in tech out there!<br />What do I mean by this?<br />We get upset about the state of gender diversity in tech<br />We make a pact to hire more women<br />The pool has (a lot) more men than women<br />After some rounds of low to no success, we start to compromise and hire women just because we have to<br />These women show up at work and perform not as great as we want them to<br />It reinforces to the male population that was already peeved by the diversity push that women aren’t that good at tech after all<br />They generalize that observation on the entire women in tech community<br />Sooner or later, some such opinions get out there<br />The feminists amongst us go crazy<br />The diversity advocates are caught in a frenzy and make a pact to hire more women (again)<br />This loops. Infinitely."<br /><br />https://medium.com/the-mission/im-an-ex-google-woman-tech-leader-and-i-m-sick-of-our-approach-to-diversity-17008c5fe999Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-60879999123019621722017-09-14T14:39:09.983+10:002017-09-14T14:39:09.983+10:00I think your logic is pretty bad, frankly.
Say we...I think your logic is pretty bad, frankly.<br /><br />Say we have two mandates:<br /><br />1) Only hire the best, and <br /><br />2) Achieve 50% gender balance among employees<br /><br />How can we possibly do this when most software engineers are male? I understand that it is conceivably possible that 50% of the best might be female, but it is microscopically improbable because we would have to assume, with no evidence whatsoever, that the distribution of talent among the limited quantity of female engineers skews heavily to the right.<br /><br />Since the the mandates are likely incompatible, and there is evidence google is prioritizing the second, then we can conclude the first is being sacrificed and if anything you should thank Damore for alerting you to this reality.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03482461857353932341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-33486669467101431222017-09-06T10:32:50.816+10:002017-09-06T10:32:50.816+10:00"If you are Sundar Pichai (the CEO of Google)..."If you are Sundar Pichai (the CEO of Google) your job is to attract, hold, motivate and direct the very best"<br /><br />"The truth or falsity of James Damore's assertions in the memo[...] should not interest Sundar Pichai. "<br /><br />That's how I attract, hold, & motivate the best, too!<br /><br /><br />Anon 408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-87440527307728615462017-09-05T20:49:05.393+10:002017-09-05T20:49:05.393+10:00On the content of the memo, it is against positive...On the content of the memo, it is against positive discrimination and I think it was a good one.<br /><br />On the fact that a company should be able to dismiss anybody they want, I agree, however, I am not familiar about the way the memo was leaked but it seemed to me that the reason was that management disagreed with the contents : if one considers that management should be listening to their underlings because they can sometimes learn things that need to be addressed, this is not a good message sent to employees, current or prospective...dedenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-86713164832601429772017-09-04T05:40:40.636+10:002017-09-04T05:40:40.636+10:00any views on blockchain effects on current tech co...any views on blockchain effects on current tech companies and banks? <br />What about all these new companies using blockchain and issuing coins?<br />Any views?<br />thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-14351648357151036302017-09-02T00:22:37.262+10:002017-09-02T00:22:37.262+10:00Sorry John couldn't disagree more with you on ...Sorry John couldn't disagree more with you on this mate.<br /><br />Your premise is that Damore necessarily made Pichai's goal of hiring the very best people harder is false. What if a majority of the very best programmers happen to be male? Google is currently pushing for a 50/50 gender split irrespective of the underlying population-level gender distribution of the very best programmers. If Google is wrong in its presumption that the distribution is 50/50, it will result in a lower quality of programmers being hired on average, as their gender is prioritised over their capability.<br /><br />That was Damore's whole point: you should hire the best programmers irrespective of their gender, and we should not assume that the ideal mix is 50/50 men/women, as their may be good & logical reasons why the distribution of software engineering talent is not evenly distributed across the genders.<br /><br />This blog post offers an alternative perspective. If I were a Google shareholder I would be very concerned.<br /><br />https://lt3000.blogspot.co.id/2017/08/james-damore-vs-google-archipelago.html<br /> Lyall Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18230748365980023462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-82405820363859098012017-08-23T04:40:05.780+10:002017-08-23T04:40:05.780+10:00It is hard to make your post logically coherent Jo...It is hard to make your post logically coherent John.<br /><br />As an investor in the company you would presumably want them to hire best talent, period. Damore was rated superb on his performance reviews internally, the highest rating (of an already elite cohort). He had skin in the game and spoke up when it would cost him. Much more impressive than costless virtue signalling of most.<br /><br />His comments which you say you don't care if correct or not were the reason he was fired, which you say you agree with. What is it you agree with, they fired him for views you dont care if correct or not because even if correct youd rather have Google find ways to deliberately hire people based on non performance metrics to get a better outcome in terms of diversity? <br /><br />They are a private company and if they want to do that, they can but as an investor, it is a red flag that social engineering is taking priority. I am not sure why you can't admit that, eg a more honest post would have been 'in the interests of my liberal views I dont care if a shareholding I own is hiring based on gender /race quotas at the expense of the best talent because I dont think it will make a meaningful difference to my investment thesis and morally I like their agenda'.<br /><br />Pointing to a women in the right tail is a bit of a strawman. The point is the distribution of the population as a whole (as was made clear in his memo). Sandymounthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00871848316953642107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-77159713603844145402017-08-22T01:35:26.533+10:002017-08-22T01:35:26.533+10:00Men dominate among the elite coders.
http://www.u...Men dominate among the elite coders.<br /><br />http://www.unz.com/isteve/male-wins-google-code-jam-for-fourth-straight-time/G-Orwellzienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-1812567436218151312017-08-20T05:06:09.023+10:002017-08-20T05:06:09.023+10:00I have not read Google's code of conduct, and ...I have not read Google's code of conduct, and you may have neither. In any case, I have never seen a code of conduct punishing the discussing of consequences of that code of conduct. Nothing else did Damore. As far as I understand, Damores paper was fine with Google representatives until someone leaked it to the outside. <br /><br />Presumably, it is not the code of conduct, it is the Google management, which became nervous about shit storms, and decided to fire Damore. I am sure, he has not been gifted, he was payed for maltreatment in the face of Google's code of conduct.<br /><br />And your example with the female math genie does not match. You should rather look at the ratio of male:female students in engineering, computer science, math (avge. of about a twenty year window). It would be ignorant to expect a much different ratio in companies they work for. If there are statistics about best students, you may take that ratio for Google instead, assuming a non-disciminatory hiring practice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-90149890852783837532017-08-20T02:57:51.163+10:002017-08-20T02:57:51.163+10:00John, you're absolutely right. And let me add...John, you're absolutely right. And let me add that it's not just about gender issues. When there were techbus protests in SF a few years back, I worked at a large tech company, and we were instructed to -not- talk to reporters. Gee gosh, wonder why not? And in 19yr at IBM, I knew better than to blog about any tech matters, b/c I would have contradicted my employer. I know a (well-respected hardware) guy who stated publicly that Itanium was a gigantic farce, at a big conference -- the guy was buried in PR flacks in minutes.<br /><br />Any -idiot- knows that when you work for a big company whose well-being depends even somewhat on public relations, you have NO voice -- the company bought your voice.<br /><br />These conservatives whining now .... just never thought that "laissez-faire capitalism for thee" meant it applied to them too.The Sophisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14548019918360204530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-69345690670060177782017-08-20T01:23:13.164+10:002017-08-20T01:23:13.164+10:00John,
"The issue is that Google has (an enti...John,<br /><br />"The issue is that Google has (an entirely appropriate) code of conduct and like all private sector organisations it has the right to impose that on its staff."<br /><br />Then why did it get to CEO level? What were Google's management doing, such that Pichai apparently had to interrupt his holiday?<br /><br />The whole situation suggests that much of Google's management is lacking a certain something.<br /><br /><br />Anomalous Cowshedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128613687139232168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-23359728910294916502017-08-19T22:30:10.945+10:002017-08-19T22:30:10.945+10:00Google's Code Jam Finalists - "the very b...Google's Code Jam Finalists - "the very best software engineers" Are All Men For 14th Year In A Row (Damore was a semi-finalist)<br /><br />http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/13/google-code-jam-finalists-are-all-men-for-14th-year-in-a-row/<br /><br />The ratio of male to female engineers in the RHS tail of the distribution of coders and scientists is heavily skewed to male.<br /><br />[Note: The article is slightly inaccurate, there was 1 woman out of 25 finalists in 2011 - but still damning numbers for you]Orwellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-28896418099074249032017-08-19T05:35:10.824+10:002017-08-19T05:35:10.824+10:00Did you really suggest Google hire a woman that di...Did you really suggest Google hire a woman that died over 50 years ago?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-91581169200632186722017-08-19T02:23:32.022+10:002017-08-19T02:23:32.022+10:00The Theranos fraud was directly aided and abetted ...The Theranos fraud was directly aided and abetted by the politically correct culture in the US. Many people turned a blind eye to blatantly obvious red flags there in part because Holmes was a woman - they wanted to believe so badly that a female Steve Jobs had been found that they refused to acknowledge the obvious. It took a critical (non-PC) WSJ journalist to finally expose the truth. Note also that PC-bias in the US was largely responsible for the Rolling Stone UVA rape controversy and the Duke lacrosse rape case [both of which consisted of completely fabricated allegations, i.e. lies]. These types of events will happen again and again when a culture continues to prioritize political correctness over truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-7670421872402832302017-08-18T01:06:30.633+10:002017-08-18T01:06:30.633+10:00Can we follow this line of thinking one step furth...Can we follow this line of thinking one step further? Because the firing clearly has a chilling effect on the ability of workers to speak freely about improving Google culture. And the firing detracts from Google's ability to attract, hold, motivate and direct anyone outside of their ideological echo chamber. So the firer should be proudly fired?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-23550887438581881242017-08-17T01:09:39.478+10:002017-08-17T01:09:39.478+10:00Taking this logic to the next step, doesn't Go...Taking this logic to the next step, doesn't Google need to fire Sundar Pichai now? He's made a lot of male programmers fearful of speaking freely about possible improvements to company culture and strategies. Firing Damore clearly reduces Google's ability to attract, hire, motivate anyone outside of the social justice echo chamber.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4815867514277794362.post-39640475679637128352017-08-16T22:58:02.880+10:002017-08-16T22:58:02.880+10:00This is different outlook to the memo. Very opinio...This is different outlook to the memo. Very opinionated and well written.<br /><br />In doing this he literally should not care whether men are better software engineers or mathematicians on average than women. Google should not interested in average. Google should be interested in the best -- I agree on this and many more things you have said.<br /><br />James Damore's memo and the aftermath has left many questions unanswered. I have written about the arguments he presented, the history of women in CS and the experience of being a woman in CS. My opinions would seem quiet different from yours though. Do read and leave a comment with your opinion :)<br /><br />http://www.onmycanvas.com/2017/08/i-was-one-of-the-few-women-in-computer-science/Priyankahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17662187449565410464noreply@blogger.com